I have an itch to start down that African Trail

Madness

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Okay, I know I know. But I've always been fascinated by the Frontosa and now I want to start my own tank. Frontosa and Friends. With that said I have done a lot of research lately reading up on parameters what they like what they don't like this and that. What I do want is to find me the bright blue variant. So if anybody has some connections for good things to say by certain breeders could you please send over their contact info and or websites. That would be greatly appreciated. And if anybody on here has any frontosa feel free post some pictures let me see what you got I'd love to see your setups.
 

lloyd378

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At one time I had the school of F1 and wild caught Frontosa ( I can’t remember their specific name but they were the 6 stripe ones) from Tom over in no-man’s land in Eastern WA.

I know he doesn’t do fish anymore, but I remember that he purchased them online. I ended up selling them to the ex member Aaron ( can’t remember his handle) who now lives way out on mountain highway and does saltwater.

I will say that they are beautiful but I found my colony to be very skittish and very very slow growers.

I’ll look for some old pics .
 

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Here is one from photobucket from 2012…. I know quality of pic sucks, but you can still see the bright color on this one!
 

sir_keith

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I couldn't agree more. Take a perfectly pretty fish and line-breed it into something that looks like a cull. Yuk. :mad:

Unfortunately, this has happened with many African Rift Lake cichlids. The situation amongst Malawians is particularly distressing, so much so that it's getting difficult to find pure species in the hobby. This is a monophyletic species flock that evolved only recently (~500K YBP), so it is perhaps not surprising that interspecific and intergeneric hybridization is rampant in captivity.

The polyphyletic Cichlid species flock of Lake Tanganyika is much more diverse, and much older (i. e. more distantly related). Furthermore, many of these fishes are significantly more challenging to keep and breed in captivity, so one might have expected them to be less prone to genetic manipulation. By and large, that has been the case, but there have been exceptions. One example is Tropheus sp. 'black' Kiriza, which looks like this in the wild-
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The much-ballyhooed line-bred amelanotic 'Kiriza Gold' derivative looks like this-

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Now, I'm not saying that Kiriza Gold is an ugly fish, but why bother when the wild-type is so much more dramatic? Moreover, there are many intensely yellow Mbuna in Lake Malawi that are prettier than Kiriza Gold, and they are way less expensive and way easier to keep in captivity. So what's the point, except for novelty? Tropheus sp.'black' Karamba and its amelanotic 'Red Bishop' derivative are another example of this sort of silliness.

But IMO the 'Black Widow' derivative of C. frontosa is the worst of all (so far) as regards taking a perfectly pretty fish and selecting a less attractive derivative. But lest you think that this is the end of this sad story, there is a newer, even less attractive C. frontosa strain called 'Night Star' that has been developed recently, and of course, it is even more expensive. I just don't get it. :eek:

As regards wild-type C. frontosa, the 'Blue Moba' population is clearly the most sought-after, and because their collection point is in the DRC, they are wildly expensive. Good luck finding a pic of these online that hasn't been through Photoshop!
 

lloyd378

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I have seen the black widow Frontosa in person before in San Diego…. Maybe it is because I visited seaworld earlier in the day, but they reminded me of a orca whale. Haha
 
So, not sure what your timeline is on this. I have a big frontosa I’m hoping to rehome. I’m in Redmond. It’s F1 Zaire blue Moba.

I think I’m attaching a picture (sorry, this is my first post on this forum). I can send a video also.

It’s somewhere close to 7-8 inches, very mellow. Eats flakes and pellets, loves Krill, which it will eat from my hand sometimes.

I was ideally hoping to get $100 back for it, but honestly I would be happy for it to go to a good home and take less if no interest at that price.

This fish was originally obtained from Butch at South East Cichlids. I also happen to be placing another order through him for a tanganyikan community tank in working on. I’ve ordered enough to qualify for free air freight shipping, which I’m expecting probably in the next week or two.

If you’re hoping to order some Juve (1-2inch) blue Zaire moba from him, he sells them for $50. You’re welcome to also just add on to my order and can probably ship together so you can take advantage of the free shipping as well (offer is also open to anyone else reading this, just let me know!)
 

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Also, if you want to jump start a colony with a few larger fish, there’s a guy in Snohomish who is selling a colony of 8 or so Burundi with 2 alpha males, who he has been keeping in a 125 gallon tank. I was briefly considering acquiring his colony at one point before deciding to proceed with a community setup instead for the time being. He sent me some videos from his tank and I think they’re some good looking fish as well. He as a mix of sizes from 4-7 inches or so I believe. If you’re interested in learning more about that, let me know and I’m happy to connect you !
 

Madness

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Also, if you want to jump start a colony with a few larger fish, there’s a guy in Snohomish who is selling a colony of 8 or so Burundi with 2 alpha males, who he has been keeping in a 125 gallon tank. I was briefly considering acquiring his colony at one point before deciding to proceed with a community setup instead for the time being. He sent me some videos from his tank and I think they’re some good looking fish as well. He as a mix of sizes from 4-7 inches or so I believe. If you’re interested in learning more about that, let me know and I’m happy to connect you !
Thanks for reaching out. I am still wanting to do this but I have several (like 20) amphilophus to get rid of first. Then change up the aquascape. I am probably a month or so out before I am ready to start adding new fish.
 
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