Seattle area fish climate vs other areas...

Orthopod

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I’ve lived in NYC and Philadelphia and California both north and south and the interest in fish in these areas seems to be much stronger. I have noticed a much stronger plant community here and less fish interest.

The fish clubs and auctions are huge in each of the above places. I have been to the local one here as well and again the number of plant fanciers seem to double the people interested in fish. There’s nothing wrong with this I guess but it doesn’t parallel my interests. Anyone have any thoughts on why this is or contrasting thoughts on the issue.

I’ll post a few pics of stuff. Love to see a combination of cichlid, monster fish, ray and pleco fanciers in the area.

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lloyd378

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I really think the Central and South American cichlids hobby died off about 4-5 years ago... most of the big collectors just gave up the hobby around the same time.

Michael mann , conway Stevens, Gage ( can’t remember his last name but he was in Florida) Jeff rapps, And locally shawn armentrout and two other gentlemen ( one on each side of the mountains... tom Cooper out by Spokane and Darrin who was in fife but not sure where he is now).

I also believe our site died down with the popularity of Facebook groups, but ours survives as we can sell fish here .

I have kept cichlids since I was 14 and I am 41 now....
Currently I have 10 tanks, but two aren’t cichlids.
 

dwarfpike

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We are also in one of the few areas of the country where our tap water isn't liquid rock. A lot of hobbyists don't want to mess with their water a whole bunch, so a lot just go with what fits and our water tends to fit SA, Westies, and SE Asia tanks and yes plants.
 

DMD123

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I miss the old cichlid days around here. I just had one tank back then but it was fun seeing what everyone else was raising. Now Ive got 6 tanks going and a few different interests besides cichlids like bichir, and puffers.
 

Orthopod

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I miss the old cichlid days around here. I just had one tank back then but it was fun seeing what everyone else was raising. Now Ive got 6 tanks going and a few different interests besides cichlids like bichir, and puffers.
Here’s my rant: It’s so bizarre that people pick plants over fish to me. I was thinking that it’s because it’s trendy and there are a lot of hipsters but this is a little narrow minded And judge mental Of me and maybe my interest in fish is the weirder interest. I don’t know - I just don’t get it.

I miss fish auctions and local Internet sales all the time. I had fish friends in other places - now I’m looked at Strangely here for my hobby and there’s really no one to shoot the shiz with about it. I’ve been here for 8 years now and it’s something that I don’t like about the area.

In the other areas I lived, I’d go to fish auctions and come home with amazing fish every time. I’ve been to the “big” auction here and there’s a few fish (Mostly commmon stuff) and more plants and equipment. The NEC’s auction was Unbelievable but even the small New Jersey local fish club auctions were awesome and had amazing fish. The east coast cichlids auction was something I looked forward to like a holiday, it was better than Christmas, lol .

Everyone was trying to breed something and fish changed hands on the local sales forum All the time. Finding a colony of Gibberoosa frontosa out here is nearly impossible(although 2 have come up for sale since I’ve been here).

Fish stores are small and limited For the most part here. I find bridges to have the best variety and there was a pond and garden Store that was open when I First moved Here and Then reopened for a brief period but not a lot of others. The CO-OP is nice but focuses on smaller fish due to size and then yes also plants. I appreciate smaller fish as well as I love killis and hypanciatrus and various other small fish. I’m glad the coop exists but miss the fish variety.

If there were enough interest , Id love If there were a more fish focused club but there doesn’t appear to the interest. The gsas again seems to be more into plants - I was a member when I first moved to Seattle but it really focused on a lot more plant stuff than my interest. By the way, I’m now in Kitsap if there are other like minded individuals. I’m resigned to the fact that there aren’t many.

anyway, done with my rant - here are some more fish pictures

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DMD123

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I do find when I have more free tank space I am more active meeting with others since Im trying to obtain or raise something. This is where the personal interaction comes in, because the stores don’t carry what I want and fellow hobbyists sometimes do. This is why its been a personal goal to keep active on the fishbox and encourage others to do so also.
 

fishguy1978

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Plants and Discus are what grabbed my interest when I first started. Primarily plants though and still do. I am a low tech planted tank keeper with Walstadt tanks. I don’t know who Waldstadt was as I was already dirting my tanks before I ever heard her name. I started in Colorado and my go to was Denizens of The Deep. Amazing selection of fish and plants. I don’t see the variety he had quite as much anymore either. I could get Farlowella or whiptail loricaria all the time and really reasonably priced. I don’t see banjo cats hardly ever.
I like to have variety in my tanks so low aggression is the way I go. I love puffers but am not willing to dedicate my 220g to a small dog poop producer, yet. Which is also why I like plants they always go well together.
I enjoy seeing the monsters that some of the members keep and appreciate them for sharing their pictures. You have some really beautiful fish, thank you for sharing them with us.
 

DMD123

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I’ve been mainly a monster fish keepers Forum active member since even before I moved to the Seattle area. I’d be willing to be more active here.
Do you use same name on MFK? Its nice when you spot fellow members there. I use the same name there. Mostly active on cichlid section, but sometimes in puffer and bichir sections too.
 

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Having seen @fishguy1978 tanks, I appreciate the variety he is raising out. While I enjoy my “monster” fish, it limits what I can keep. At times it almost seems a waste to see a solo fish in my 65B’s or 75 gallon tanks when they could house some real cool community set ups.
 

Orthopod

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Do you use same name on MFK? Its nice when you spot fellow members there. I use the same name there. Mostly active on cichlid section, but sometimes in puffer and bichir sections too.
Yep, same handle on any site I’m active on - In MFK, I post on plecos, rays, general, Some of the other general forums, rarely arowana and lung fish section (have an AUL), maybe 1 or 2 posts about my fahaka on the puffer area, same with the reptile area.

I used to post on planet catfish and cyphos but pretty much just MFK now.
 

Orthopod

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Having seen @fishguy1978 tanks, I appreciate the variety he is raising out. While I enjoy my “monster” fish, it limits what I can keep. At times it almost seems a waste to see a solo fish in my 65B’s or 75 gallon tanks when they could house some real cool community set ups.
I’ve recently really got into hypans for small fish and wish I had more room for more tanks for my zebras and L236s. I have a fish camera on them over my rays and cichlids and other monsters lol.
 

fishguy1978

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I’ve recently really got into hypans for small fish and wish I had more room for more tanks for my zebras and L236s. I have a fish camera on them over my rays and cichlids and other monsters lol.

YOU HAVE ZEBRA PLECOS!!???
Same user name for me on MFK, planet, plantedtank, and shelldwellers(iirc). I’m on the cichlid forum too but as fishguy78. I’m not as active on those last mostly here and MFK. Planet is too cumbersome.
 
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Orthopod

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YOU HAVE ZEBRA PLECOS!!???
Same user name for me on MFK, planet, plantedtank, and shelldwellers(iirc). I’m on the cichlid forum too but as fishguy78. I’m not as active on those last mostly here and MFK. Planet is too cumbersome.
Yep - 25 I believe, most fish in a single tank that you never see until the lights are off and I watch them on the nest cam lol - trying to grow them out for a breeding colony and take my shot at it. We’ll have to see how it works out.
 

Orthopod

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YOU HAVE ZEBRA PLECOS!!???
Same user name for me on MFK, planet, plantedtank, and shelldwellers(iirc). I’m on the cichlid forum too but as fishguy78. I’m not as active on those last mostly here and MFK. Planet is too cumbersome.
Here’s some photos of them hiding and being uncooperative Like normal. Included is a Horrible nest can shot with all there tails hanging out.

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lloyd378

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Yep, same handle on any site I’m active on - In MFK, I post on plecos, rays, general, Some of the other general forums, rarely arowana and lung fish section (have an AUL), maybe 1 or 2 posts about my fahaka on the puffer area, same with the reptile area.

I used to post on planet catfish and cyphos but pretty much just MFK now.
I haven’t been on MFK in years... I doubt my account is still active! The real reason why is I don’t use my laptop/ tablet as much as I used to, and the one time I tried on my phone, it didn’t work right... but again that was maybe 5 years back
 

fishguy1978

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Yep - 25 I believe, most fish in a single tank that you never see until the lights are off and I watch them on the nest cam lol - trying to grow them out for a breeding colony and take my shot at it. We’ll have to see how it works out.
Here’s some photos of them hiding and being uncooperative Like normal. Included is a Horrible nest can shot with all there tails hanging out.

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Very nice. I have L104 P. Maccus clown plecos that are the same way. I know they are alive because I have plenty of poo to siphon out of their tank. I only have 3 but they sure do produce just no babies yet.
 

sir_keith

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I agree with much of what you say, but one of the great things about this hobby is that there is no ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ way to do it. I’ve been a hobbyist since I was a boy, and have seen hundreds of fish rooms over the years, and no two of them were alike.

I too have lived on both coasts, and for sure fish keeping was different in different places, but another factor is that the hobby changes over time. I was a student in New Jersey in the early 70’s, when the first Malawian cichlids started to be imported in numbers, and they took the hobby by storm, because we had never seen anything even vaguely like them. How can you ever forget the first time you saw one of these, which at the time was called Pseudotropheus auratus-

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Tanganyikans followed shortly thereafter, totally different; no less mind-boggling. I knew several semi-professional breeders in the NY/NJ area at the time, and through them, came to know some of the importers, people like Jack Freiberg and others. New shipments from the lakes would arrive several times a month, each containing fishes that were not only new to the hobby, but new to science. It was an enormously exciting time, and suddenly my fish collection changed completely- the small tanks containing jewel-like dwarf cichlids were replaced by larger tanks containing Mbuna, Peacocks, and open-water haplochromines. Mouthbrooders all, another revelation.

Fast forward to the late 80’s. After 10 years in LA, where my involvement in the hobby was minimal, I moved to Seattle, and discovered a very active aquarist community. Great fish stores, like The Fish Store in Seattle, and even better, its namesake in Bellevue. Even chains like Sierra Pets had all kinds of interesting fishes, including cichlids. Eventually a friend opened A Place for Pets in Burien, and it became the go-to place for serious cichlidiots. I was breeding several different Tropheus populations at the time, and supplying LFS’s with F1 and F2 fry. Obviously, there were no aquatic plants in my fish room.

All those great fish stores faded away over time, replaced by the large chains, and I lost my local outlets for tank-raised fry. I contracted my Tropheus collection, and started breeding angels. Suddenly my tanks were full of plants, but only because the angels liked them. It was a genetic experiment, really, crossing wild-caught Peruvian females with black males in an attempt to reinvigorate the black germline. I obtained some stunning black angels, but like their wild parents, they were hyper-aggressive, and demanded large tanks. It would have taken a very long time to breed that out of the pedigree, so the experiment came to an end.

When I moved to North Kitsap in 2012, I was keeping only a few different kinds of Tropheus. There was a great potential fish room in my new house, but I was horrified at the lack of fish stores in this area. A Petco in Poulsbo, a PetSmart in Silverdale, and that’s it? Wow. I met some local Tropheus keepers online, then discovered this message board, and through it learned about all the different ways that Fishbox and GSAS members approach the hobby. It’s cool.

Back in the day, most ‘advanced’ aquarists were also specialists. Not so much today, obviously. The plant thing is also new- all the exotic plants, all the high-tech aquaculture. I greatly admire it, but for me it’s all about the fishes. I don’t do monster fishes, single-specimens, or all male tanks, because being a biologist, I want to observe and enjoy all the interesting behaviors of these fishes- territories, nest building, pair bonds, breeding, fry-rearing

At present, my fish room is about half Tropheus, the Tanganyikan rock-dwellers, and half Ophthalmotilapia/Xenotilapia/Enantiopus, the sand dwellers. The latter have allowed me to cultivate plants once again. Here is one of my tanks by way of example-

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Welcome to the Fishbox! There aren't many of us here, but we have fun. :)
 

Orthopod

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I agree with much of what you say, but one of the great things about this hobby is that there is no ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ way to do it. I’ve been a hobbyist since I was a boy, and have seen hundreds of fish rooms over the years, and no two of them were alike.

I too have lived on both coasts, and for sure fish keeping was different in different places, but another factor is that the hobby changes over time. I was a student in New Jersey in the early 70’s, when the first Malawian cichlids started to be imported in numbers, and they took the hobby by storm, because we had never seen anything even vaguely like them. How can you ever forget the first time you saw one of these, which at the time was called Pseudotropheus auratus-

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Tanganyikans followed shortly thereafter, totally different; no less mind-boggling. I knew several semi-professional breeders in the NY/NJ area at the time, and through them, came to know some of the importers, people like Jack Freiberg and others. New shipments from the lakes would arrive several times a month, each containing fishes that were not only new to the hobby, but new to science. It was an enormously exciting time, and suddenly my fish collection changed completely- the small tanks containing jewel-like dwarf cichlids were replaced by larger tanks containing Mbuna, Peacocks, and open-water haplochromines. Mouthbrooders all, another revelation.

Fast forward to the late 80’s. After 10 years in LA, where my involvement in the hobby was minimal, I moved to Seattle, and discovered a very active aquarist community. Great fish stores, like The Fish Store in Seattle, and even better, its namesake in Bellevue. Even chains like Sierra Pets had all kinds of interesting fishes, including cichlids. Eventually a friend opened A Place for Pets in Burien, and it became the go-to place for serious cichlidiots. I was breeding several different Tropheus populations at the time, and supplying LFS’s with F1 and F2 fry. Obviously, there were no aquatic plants in my fish room.

All those great fish stores faded away over time, replaced by the large chains, and I lost my local outlets for tank-raised fry. I contracted my Tropheus collection, and started breeding angels. Suddenly my tanks were full of plants, but only because the angels liked them. It was a genetic experiment, really, crossing wild-caught Peruvian females with black males in an attempt to reinvigorate the black germline. I obtained some stunning black angels, but like their wild parents, they were hyper-aggressive, and demanded large tanks. It would have taken a very long time to breed that out of the pedigree, so the experiment came to an end.

When I moved to North Kitsap in 2012, I was keeping only a few different kinds of Tropheus. There was a great potential fish room in my new house, but I was horrified at the lack of fish stores in this area. A Petco in Poulsbo, a PetSmart in Silverdale, and that’s it? Wow. I met some local Tropheus keepers online, then discovered this message board, and through it learned about all the different ways that Fishbox and GSAS members approach the hobby. It’s cool.

Back in the day, most ‘advanced’ aquarists were also specialists. Not so much today, obviously. The plant thing is also new- all the exotic plants, all the high-tech aquaculture. I greatly admire it, but for me it’s all about the fishes. I don’t do monster fishes, single-specimens, or all male tanks, because being a biologist, I want to observe and enjoy all the interesting behaviors of these fishes- territories, nest building, pair bonds, breeding, fry-rearing

At present, my fish room is about half Tropheus, the Tanganyikan rock-dwellers, and half Ophthalmotilapia/Xenotilapia/Enantiopus, the sand dwellers. The latter have allowed me to cultivate plants once again. Here is one of my tanks by way of example-

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Welcome to the Fishbox! There aren't many of us here, but we have fun. :)

I’ve actually been a member of fish box since 2013 but just have focused on MFK, because the traffic was so much higher.

I have had planted discus and pleco tanks but will.m never get the plant first thing. It’s all about the animals for me. My rant is more that this seems to be the primary focus in Seattle than its wrong to do s0. I’ve lived in NYC, LA, philly and San Fran and there were many more into the fish. While aquascaping was prominent especially in SF and Silicon Valley, the Cichlid society and other fish Interests were more represented and the primary focus.

I used to be solely into Africans and bred different groups - had a glorious group of wild caught moba when I was NYC that I miss to this day. I love the biology aspect as well so I can relate (obviously I have science background as well:ninja:ninja:ninja:lol). Love your tanganyikan taste. I also like petros. By the way, also in north Kitsap.

Cheers to you and glad you’re around. I wish there was some way to get these other people appreciating the fish more and grow the aspects I loved in other places I have lived. The east coast fish auction with thousands of amazing fish is what I’d love to transplant here the most.
 
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